Neste podcast MRG, Affonso Solano e Didi Braguinha convidam Carol Moreira para debater o filme da Mulher-Maravilha!

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  • “Haja o que hajar, há que se agir: AJA!”

    Cuidado com a robotização!!! <õ/

    • Antônio

      Aquela leve impressão que o elenco estava tentando agradar a participação feminina e tomando cuidado nas palavras, e tentando passar uma mensagem feministas e a Carol meio que tava cagando pra isso kkk

    • Henrique

      Cara.. nego ta impregnado por discurso político de esquerda mesmo, n tem jeito.. Didi falando de movimento feminista, discussão merda cara, oq tem a ver um filme de super herói com feminismo ? q se foda o feminismo, analisa o filme direito.. Falo nada dessa Carol Moreira, hipocrisia mandou abraço nesse caso do Vin diesel

      • Cleber

        Verdade.

      • Bruno

        Primeiro: feminismo não é discurso de esquerda, mas progressista. Vide esquerdistas dos EUA, Inglaterra, Alemanha, etc, que são liberais, e todos sabem que o liberalismo é a direita progressista. Segundo, o filme não empodera tanto assim as mulheres, embora traga a mulher como protagonista, ainda assim a torna um símbolo/objeto sexual (o que justifica aquela roupa?) e, no final, um homem é o responsável por inspirar a moça.

    • Diego

      Mulher-Maravilha é a personificação do messianismo judaico na contemporaneidade.

      A primeira Guerra Mundial ocorre no clímax do positivismo e pensamento racional surgido com a Modernidade, de maneira que se cria que o desenvolvimento científico e o progresso tecnológico elevariam o homem a evolução” no sentido social da teoria de Darwin. Dessa forma “O messianismo prova sua pujança em nossa época precisamente reaparecendo sob a forma do apocalipse revolucionário, e não mais sob a forma da utopia racional (se assim se pode chama-la) do progresso eterno, que foi como o sucedâneo da redenção na época das Luzes”.
      O homem pensava que esse abismo poderia ser superado por um “progresso” ou “desenvolvimento”, mas no messianismo judaico “ apenas a catástrofe revolucionária, com um desenraizamento colossal, uma destruição total da ordem existente, abre caminho para a redenção messiânica”.
      Segundo Scholem “o messianismo judeu (contrariamente ao messianismo cristão) a redenção é um acontecimento que se produz necessariamente na cena da história, “publicamente” por assim dizer, no mundo visível: ela não é concebível como processo puramente espiritual, situado na alma de cada indivíduo, e resultante de uma transformação essencialmente interna. De que tipo de acontecimento “visível se trata? Para a tradição religiosa judaica a chegada do Messias é uma irrupção catastrófica”.
      Esse messianismo “contém duas tendências, intimamente ligadas e contraditórias ao mesmo tempo: uma corrente restauradora, voltada para o restabelecimento de um estado ideal do passado, uma idade de ouro perdida, uma harmonia edênica rompida, e uma corrente utópica, aspirando a um futuro radicalmente novo, a um estado de coisas que jamais existiu”.
      A idade de ouro no filme é a tida na concepção do Mundo por Zeus. Aries propõe a Diana essa retomada, através do laço, sem a presença dos homens sobre a Terra. Diana, no entanto, busca a redenção dos mesmos, retornando a esse estágio, mas com um futuro novo.
      Dessa forma, o mundo paradisíaco como vemos na Ilha de Paraíso e na restauração da paz viria em detrimento da morte de Aries como o manipulador do mal nos homens. Nessa compreensão Diana é a messias pois, como diz Aries, ela própria é a “matadora de deuses” pois só um deus tem a capacidade de matar outro e livrar a terra das guerras.
      A catástrofe no filme representada pela Guerra e o envolvimento de Diana “parece a ideia de que o Messias só vira em uma era de corrupção e de culpabilidade total; segundo o Midrasch Tehilin, ‘”Israel pergunta a Deus: quando nos enviarás a redenção? Ele responde: quando descerdes ao nível mais baixo, nesse momento Eu vos trarei a redenção”.
      Nesse sentido, com a morte de Aries, Diana reivindicaria “um mundo novo, paradisíaco, onde a força do mal teria sido destruída, e que seria dominado pela luz da Árvore da Vida, as restrições opostas pela Árvore do conhecimento do Bem e do Mal perderiam sua significação”.

      Coincidentemente ou não Allan Heinberg, escritor do roteiro do filme, é judeu (bem como, por ironia do destino, Gal Gadot).

      Particularmente não gostei tanto do filme e sou ateu. Mas como venho estudando sobre a temática do messianismo judaico para a minha dissertação de mestrado, as coisas meio que encaixaram.

  • Robson Bueno

    prefiro o mdm

  • Davi Nery

    Eu acho que a atriz Gemma Arterton seria uma Mulher-Maravilha muito boa no quesito físico e de “presença” que eles mencionaram. Desde que anunciaram a Gal Gadot eu pensei nisso.

    • VIni

      muita “peitosença” que ela tem, realmente.

  • Igor

    Os filmes de super heróis me perdem porque sempre acabam com uma cena de ação,que demora muito e tem explosão
    “Carol moreira”
    Carol,não assista filmes de super herois então,até nos quadrinhos tem explosões,como você lê os quadrinhos ?
    Arranca a pagina na hora da ação ?

    • Que isso, Igor?! Tá maluco, cara!
      Carol dá 4.0/5.0 robôs gigantes e você acha mesmo que ela não gostou do filme? Qualquer pessoa pode criticar uma obra que gostou. Deixa ela (e muitas outras pessoas) achar monótono o vilão boboca de CGI “lutando” com a heroína.
      O final foi a parte mais fraca do filme mesmo. Paciência.

      • Fellipe Kajelani

        Tendo a concordar!

        Ainda não ouvi o programa, mas falando especificamente sobre o filme, achei muito bom, mas nem por isso deixei de desgostar de alguns pontos. Das partes que me incomodaram, a batalha na praia e o final foram as única que eu realmente critiquei. Por mais bonita que tenha sido a batalha na praia, as amazonas morreram muito fácil, elas não demonstram ser capazes de enfrentar a Diana em combate, e isso torna o núcleo de Temyscira bem irrelevante, nenhuma delas vai ser vilã ou rival da Diana, não poderiam, o que deixa um vácuo sobre quem será o inimigo dela no segundo filme. E essa batalha final, que, embora eu tenha gostado do Ares, na aparência, achei a luta bem fraquinha, muito “luzes e raios”, esperava mais luta mesmo, ela passa o filme todo lutando, usando manobras de combate, mas no vilão final, foi só arremesso de objetos e rainho, meio broxante…
        O filme é muito bom, mesmo com esses problemas, minha maior crítica é que, com essas amazonas fraquinhas e sem o panteão grego, que pelo que foi dito no filme, estão todos mortos, não vejo muito futuro para a Mulher Maravilha em filmes solo…
        Claro que os deuses estarem mortos pode ter sido só “estorinha de dormir” que a rainha Hipólita contava para impedir Diana de descobrir a verdade…

      • Caetano

        Se qualquer pose criticar deixa o cara falir o que quer, você não faz sentido algum, seu próprio argumento desconstrói o que falou.
        Você é burro ? Você fala de uma forma burra.

  • carai diogo ta maluco KKKKK

  • Cleyton Souza

    A vida da própria Gal Gadot quebra todos os argumentos do Didi em relação ao corpo de uma mulher real, vivendo a Mulher Maravilha! Gal Gadot serviu ao exército Israelense e era instrutora de combate, e nem por isso ela tem um corpo avantajado devido aos treinos. Há pessoas que naturalmente não ganham massa muscular, mesmo praticando os mesmos exercícios físicos e com mesma intensidade que outras pessoas. Fora que há um mistério em torno da origem da Diana, o que dá a entender que ela não é uma amazona normal dentro da história, e ela sempre teve um tratamento diferenciado por ser princesa (Diana tinha babá rsrsrsrs).

    • Xpyder

      Servir ao exército que é obrigatório(tanto para homens quanto mulheres) em Israel, fazer algo que é obrigatório, até onde eu sei, não é mérito nenhum.

      • Fred

        Mas a discussão não é sobre mérito, é sobre ela ter o corpo que tem mesmo sendo instrutora de combate. Ou seja, não precisa parecer a She-hulk devido ao treinamento.

  • Thaylon Pedrosa

    Caramba Affonso, essa hosteada foi excelente!! <3

    • Thaylon Pedrosa

      Respondendo a mim mesmo, só adicionando um comentário. As gírias da Carol são as melhores! AHHAHA!

  • Didi Braguinha representando a cuzice do Beto Estrada. 😛

    • Renata Lima

      hahaha infelizmente tenho que concordar

  • Grazieli Monserrat

    Afonso falando babaquisse, Didi sem carisma nenhum há anos… MRG tá cada vez mais desapontante…. Pelo menos teve uma convidada que vale a pena.
    Vamos mesmo reduzir a discussão que um filme desses traz para a aparência do corpo dos atores.
    Os dois hosts se tornaram um lixo nesse episódio. Lamentável.

    • Laura

      Aff. Diogo querendo definir o que é bom para o feminismo! Só o que faltava! Não aprendem…

    • Sid

      Tanta coisa boa e ruim no filme pra ser discutida e 50% do programa é debatendo o corpo da atriz.
      Ai complica cara.

    • Renato Motta

      se vai criticar, ao menos seja educada. vc que não está ajudando.
      lixo é comentar dessa forma, seja construtiva.

    • Renato

      Exatamente, um filme importante desse, quebrando paradigmas… não ganhou um cast à altura.

  • Lucas

    Eita, ficaram muito falando sobre a estética do filme e falaram muito pouco do restante. Aquele final foi merda igual Batman vs Superman, do nada a mulher maravilha e o vilão ficaram isolados em uma fodendo base cheia de soldados. Outras duas coisas que eu fiquei com pensando WTF, na parte de trincheira, aonde fala que a guerra ta travada ali a anos e tipo tinha só uns 30 caras de cada lado e aquele atirador de elite que nao atira em ninguém pqp.

  • Xpyder

    Carol Moreira, fácil umas 3x mais foda que Gal Gadot.

  • Xpyder

    Achei o casting da Gal Gadot bem sem graça tb, exemplos de casting melhores:
    Adelaide Kane
    Elizabeth Gillies
    Yuliya Snigir
    Nadia Bjorlin
    mas, irônicamente, talvez o melhor casting teria sido da atriz que pegou o papel que seria da Gal Gadot(por causa da gravidez) em Man of Steel, Antje Traue

    • Fellipe Kajelani

      A Gal Gadot iria fazer a Faora-Ul?!? Carai, isso eu não sabia…
      Mas acho que concordo que a Antje Traue teria sido mais convincente no porte. Embora eu agora ache a Gadot boa para o papel, ela ainda tem muito esse porte de “passarela”, ela é muito delicada no modo de agir, então, independente do físico, não convence muito como guerreira. Antje também não é nenhuma “monstrona”, mas tem uma atitude mais forte…

  • Renato Motta

    Primeiramente, parabéns Affonso, seu grito de abertura foi sensacional!
    Com relação ao filme, a protagonista atriz Gal Gadot tem uma beleza hipnotizante e carisma infinito. Mas, acho que mulher com pulso firme e porradeira de verdade, que colocaria aqueles generais no chinelo, seria a Robin Wright, que interpretou a treinadora da mulher maravilha no filme. Ela sim passa a impressão de mulher decidida, forte e que vai resolver o problema que for sem precisar de homem nenhum. A morte dela pesa no filme, mostrando que mesmo com pouco tempo de tela, ela é foda. Na minha opinião, Gadot sofre o mesmo problema de Cris Evans, rostos bonitos, mas com pouco pulso pra pegar um personagem com tanto peso e imposição de respeito.
    Um detalhe do filme: senti realmente falta de uma sujeita quando a Maravilhosa estava nas trincheiras. Era um dos lugares mais sujos e deploráveis do planeta, mas mesmo correndo na lama em meio aos tiros, a heroína continuava com a maquiagem em dia sem nem despentear o cabelo. Não é nada absurdo pra te tirar do filme, mas uma adição de sujeira ali iria aumentar o grau de realidade um pouco mais, na minha opinião.
    O quesito que mais me incomodou é o vilão do filme. A mulher maravilha é muito poderosa, passa o filme inteiro batendo em inimigos que não são nem de perto da altura dela. No fim, acho que perceberam isso e quiseram colocar uma luta equilibrada, mas achei forçado, vilão sem carisma nem sal nenhum, sai do nada e vai pro nada.
    Achei também que o filme pegaria em pontos de combate ao machismo com mais veemência , mas em determinado ponto ele até o ressalta. A mulher maravilha não tem voz no conselho de guerra, o que é normal para a época, mas daí ela esperar sair da sala pra reclamar no ouvido do companheiro? Devia meter o pé na mesa e mandar geral calar a boca. Essa heroína contida e excessivamente inocente não condiz muito com a postura que a maravilhosa tomaria, uma postura que todos respeitam senão ela o faz respeitar.
    Não achei que foi um filmão, é como o Didi “um filme ok”. Acho que a opinião geral achou ótimo, mas é comparado à tragédia que está a trajetória da DC nos cinemas, daí não precisa de muito pra ajudar. Também acho que alguns críticos não deram a opinião de fato com medo de receberem o rótulo de machista.
    Nota: 2,5. Na média, nem mais nem menos. Por fim, adorei o cast! Abs à todos (volta pra reclamar, Beto!).

  • Ramon Felipe Ferreira

    Nunca achei que iria dizer isso, mas “cala a boca diogo braga” mimizento do caramba. Nego analisa filmes da DC com um peso e filmes da marvel com outro peso, simples assim.

  • EZEQUIEL DA CRUZ MOURA

    Parabéns ao Diogo por não ficar em cima do muro.O filme é bem ruim. A personagem merecia um filme bem melhor.Entendo quem defende na ânsia de encontrar um filme pra representatividade feminina ,e eu acho que o pessoal não devia ficar puto com quem aponta os erros e sim pela Warner entregar esse lixo e chamar de filme.

  • Andrei

    Sério mesmo que a maior bronca é o físico da Gal Gadot? 2017 e nego se preocupa com a o físico do personagem, tudo bem ter seus argumentos, mas a personagem é muito mais que forma física, na real é a parte menos importante. Poderiam ter aproveitado mais o tempo para discutir partes mais relevantes do filme, fora isso muito legal a participação da Carol, dou 3 robos gigantes para esse episódio.

  • Ddi Fadoul

    Chris Hemsworth tem esse lance de falta de presença, ele pode ficar forte, barbudo cabeludo ou não, ele não tem a presença que o personagem Thor tem nos quadrinhos. A Gal realmente não parece ter essa presença, porém, se o filme é bem feito tem como relevar e isso é algo que talvez ela ganhe já que está no início.

  • Renato

    Parabéns ao Didi, perdeu um programa inteiro falando de como estava insatisfeito com os atributos físicos da Gal. Além de passar por nerd punheteiro machista se credenciou a substituir o Rubens Ewald. No mais, a Carol Moreira com uma má vontade monstra.

  • Fernando

    Parabéns ao Didi por ter coragem de falar o que pensa. Essa galera mimizenta tem que aprender a respeitar a opinião dos outros.

  • Alex

    ainda bem q n atrasou !

  • Adorei o site, meus parabens!

  • Fernando

    Atleta de MMA, Affonso? Sério? Lutadoras não são atrizes. A própria Ronda que vc citou já apareceu em dois filmes e pronto, tá lá só pelo nome, atuações tristes. Faça-nos o favor!!!
    É tipo apoiar quando cantores fizeram aqueles trabalhos de dublagem!

  • Gilson Passos

    Mulher de verdade? WTF? Diogo tá viajando? Ele sabe que a mulher é “MULHER MARAVILHA”, literalmente moldado pra ser uma “DEUSA grega”, tu tá de zoeira? Ela tem que ser fora do normal mano, pelo que notei a Carol ia tocar nesse ponto, mas deixou passar, quando é um superman, ninguém fica de mimimi pq ele não tem barriguinha ou rosto de pedreiro, p*rra pelo contrário, o único deifeitozinho do Henry Cavill tinha, um pouco de pelo no peito, a galera fez um auê danado, inclusive o próprio Didi fica babando a beleza do cara… Sério, os hérois, principalmente os da DC, são Deuses na terra, o filme foi bom e ponto, quer reclamar da Gadot? Show, tem vários defeitos, mas vir dizer que ela não representa bem a mulher “de verdade”? Tu tá de sacanagi comigo…

  • Flávia

    Gostei da pergunta da Carol sobre a importância do físico em personagens masculinos – já que rolou essa questão de maneira cansativa a respeito do corpo de Gal Gadot. Afinal, é pra contar uma história ou satisfazer o próprio ego com a aparência física de um ator ou atriz? Acho que tem outros meios de se satisfazer assim.

    • Rafael Mendes

      Essa Carol Moreira é muuuuiitoo chata, meu Deus do céu, como alguém aguenta…

      • Rafael Mendes

        Cliquei errado, não era pra ser uma resposta a um comentário…

  • ADss

    Didi Braguinha tem se tornado cada vez mais babaca. Ele esta tentando mostrar algum tipo de conhecimento e a todo tempo fica defecando pela boca. O cara foi criticar o tom de voz PQP… eu só ouço por causa do Solano.

    Ta difícil de aguentar esse cara com baixo QI dando opiniões de merda.

    • asdasd

      Mas respeito as pessoas de QI baixo já que eu também tenho.

  • s7

    Sou mais a Gemma Arterton. Ela tem porte de Amazonas como a Hipólita e Antíope no filme. Apesar da Gadot ta ok e n ter me incomodado.

    Tbm tem a questão d presença de tela, e isso independe do porte. Enfim, a única coisa q n gostei no filme foi n ter um mano a mano Vs Ares.

    Temos uma Amazonas com escudo e espada e o Deus da guerra e não rola um embate medieval? porra, ai não.

    ps: botem os comentários pelo disqus.

  • Elaia saudades avaliação critica de um filme. A critica do cara ao filme se cunhou apenas ao corpo da mulher! Sério? E sim, vocês fizeram podcast de logan, superman e batman e tocaram/entraram nesse tópico do corpo, não basearam toda uma critica e nota em cima disso.

  • E não, Ares NÃO FEZ GUERRA NENHUMA! Ele apenas deu meios para que os humanos continuassem a própria guerra, esse era um dos pontos do filme, humanos são maus, homens destroem, homens não merecem a Diana.

  • David Felix

    Pow Solano cê tá reclamando do corpo da Gal Gadot mano?! E o Didi queria que a mulher maravilha fosse a Rita Cadillac ou a Gretchen! Esse mundo tá perdido.

  • Anthoni Bombardelli

    Gostei bastante do filme e o casting todo me agradou. Não tenho reclamações do corpo da Gadot, acho que funcionou bem pra personagem.
    Um ponto positivo que eu gostaria de ressaltar no final do filme foi a diferença entre os dois, da Diana e do Ares. Pra mim ficou bem clara a diferença entre ela, uma combatente treinada com poderes, e um Deus so com os poderes. A Diana querendo sair na porrada e o cara só no “PODEEEER”. A cena no topo de um dos barracões da Diana desviando dos projeteis com o Laço da Verdade foi bonita de se ver.
    Avante Matadores!

  • Guilherme

    Meu deus que mina chata, só reclama, nada ta bom, cheia de nhenhenhe, quase nao deu pra ouvir todo o podcast, sorte que Didi e Afonso salvam

    • Diogoid

      Quem reclamou loucamente foi o Didi cara

  • Mpaiva

    Só acho que o MRG deveria voltar as origens. Andei escutando os antigos e definitivamente eles eram os melhores. Comentários sem compromisso, ZUACAO e etc… Trás o Beto Estrada revolta, trás o cardoso e Marcelo

  • Yugen

    Não precisa gostar do filme só porque ta todo mundo gostando, mas também não precisa não gostar do filme porque ta todo mundo gostando, não vi porra de site de critica nenhuma e gostei do filme.
    Claro que da pra ver coisa ruim em qualquer filme, mas acho que a analise de vocês falhou e ver muitos pontos bons do filme, como essa parte do corpo da personagem, eu ja acho que combinou muito, questão de opinião é claro, mas acho que uma amazona mais musculosa não iria combinar com a “ingenuidade” da mulher maravilha nesse filme, que foi um dos pontos principais desse filme, mostrar o amadurecimento dela no mundo dos homens, ver que não é apenas o bem vs o mal, que os próprios humanos podem ser bons ou maus, que tem muita merda acontecendo.

  • nino rodrigues

    Esse deixo passar. Ouço o próximo! Carol “mimizeira” não rola não!

    • Pedro

      Meu amigo, você fez bem… Ela é chata demais…

  • Diego

    Fala serio esse DiDi Braguinha sempre vejo ele gostar absolutamente de tudo mesmo sabendo que de fato é ruim, mais na WW ele não engana ele não gostou mesmo ? pô pegou no pé de mais do filme principalmente da Gal comparar com a senadora orever que tem uma fala e nada mais numa cena de 2 segundos ! O filme é bom mais é sua opinião respeito. rsrsrsrs Mais o ato final é bem merda mesmo muita falta de criatividade das pessoas envolvidas ali, os conceitos visuais do vilão um coco e as coreografias de luta ruins, e tinham algumas frases de impacto genéricas por parte do vilão que pelo amor. Mais consegue se salvar porque lá atras foi muito bom.

  • Daniel

    Solano achou melhor que OS VINGADORES? kkkkkkk
    Esse nunca vai dar o braço a torcer mesmo.

  • Pedro

    MEU DEUS DO CÉU… Vocês chamaram a PIOR PESSOA DO BRASIL pra participar do programa, uma mina chata pra caralho, fraca em questão do mundo Nerd e ainda totalmente desinteressada pelo assunto e pelo programa, o que eu acho um PUTA DESRESPEITO ao trabalho dos garotos do MRG.

    “ain eu não acho legal essas cenas de luta…” MEU DEUS VELHO, você não é nerd… não é possível….

    Na moral, esse foi o pior MRG que eu já ouvi, essa mina é ridícula… cada segundo que ela fala é um porre….

    Agora pro Diogo e pro Afonso, concordo com boa parte do que vocês falaram, realmente o Ares estava simplesmente maluco aehaeuhauehuhaeuhaeuhea.

    E eu também esperava uma mulher maravilha mais forte, pela personagem ser uma guerreira.

    Abraço para os matadores!!!

    • Wanderson

      Concordo, ela é um porre. Reclama de ação em um filme de super heroína de quadrinhos? Assistia Almodovar quando criança? Se foi assim mesmo, tá assistindo o tipo de filme errado.

  • souzaremido

    Sobre o físico da Gal: não que precise mudar, mas se ela desejar, pode ir trabalhando um corpo mais atlético ao longo da franquia como o Hugh Jackman fez.

  • Bacana.

  • Paloma Ceratti

    Carolzinha é muito amor.. E o didi mais louco que o normal haha

  • Anderson Marques

    CARALHOOOOO!!
    Chamaram a pior convidada possível para o programa!!(e ainda tem gente sem noção aqui nos comentários endeusando ela)
    Pra começar…ela nem é nerd…entende de porra nenhuma, desinteressada com o assunto, e nariz em pé pra caralho…enfim, minha opinião!!!

    Didi “vestiu” a camisa do Beto nesse programa, babaca demais com o filme!

    Única coisa que se salvou foi a hostiada do Affonso…excelente!

    • Rafael

      E desde quando precisa ser nerd ora gostar de um filme?? Aff, não basta não gostar de alguém, precisa vir ofender nos comentarios, parabens senhor maturidade.

  • Mateus Costa

    Essa mina é muitoo chata veio, na moral!!!!

  • Iroquois

    Mas que obsessão com o físico da mina! Pra mim ela tá igualzinha à Mulher Maravilha dos desenhos animados, o que já basta, pois a Gal Gadot tem carisma de sobra.

  • Alex Coelho

    Meu primeiro cast do site, me desculpe, achei a coisa mais irritante que eu já ouvi em anos, vou dar chances ao site porque é óbvio que nem todos serão de agrado de todos, mas vamos aos fatos:

    *convidada sem conteúdo para o tema, fora sua chatice, acredito que foi chamada porque é mulher;
    *o cara simplesmente fala que o filme é ruim porque a mulher maravilha é magra, OK, concordo que deveria ser mais atlética, mas dizer que o filme é ruim por isso? não vi um argumento relevante para desmerecer o filme a ponto de ser levado a sério esse hater com site;
    *o cast todo falando do corpo da atriz, repito, todo o cast foi sobre o corpo da atriz.

    não tem como levar a sério!

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